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Ugh · Jul 21, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

So I just noticed there are no skills that cost 20 energy. There are 0, 1, 5, 10, 15, and 25 energy skills, but no profession has a 20 energy skill. Why did Anet skip 20? Does they have something against it?

BadgerzFTW · Jul 21, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Terror is released upon upon the innocent players of Guild Wars. All accounts are permanently banned from the game. They had a skill once....but never again..

4thVariety · Jul 21, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

There was a weird gypsy fortune teller woman in the alpha. When Anet found out about her arcane gifts, Gaile was sent to ask her for the secret to MMO success.

Her answer was:

Twen'y, twen'y, skill costs of twen'y,
among all the chapters there shall not be any.

refer · Jul 21, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

they don't use a base numbering system which includes 20?

kedde · Jul 21, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Because it isn't needed.
Skills that are powerful enough to warrant 25 energy as a cost have such a huge increase in power compared to the ones at 15 that only 5 more energy wouldn't be justifiable.

immortius · Jul 21, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Mathematically speaking it was discovered that to be truly balanced skill costs need to be square numbers. Unfortunately management found square numbers confusing, so skill costs were rounded to the nearest multiple of 5 in most cases.

4->5, 9->10, 16->15, 25

Expherious · Jul 21, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadgerzFTW

Call of Cthulhu 20e 10c 60r

Terror is released upon upon the innocent players of Guild Wars. All accounts are permanently banned from the game. They had a skill once....but never again..

Lol @ This lolololeeelololeelol

paddymew · Jul 21, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

1 Energy: Sacrifice skills with token costs that are required for them to act as spells. (Dark Pact, etc.)
5 Energy: Cheap skills, either spammable if the skills is bad, or high recharge if the skill is good. (Stone Daggers, Dark Escape, etc.)
10 Energy: Medium skills, moderately powerful but not spammable. ("Find Their Weakness!", dervish PBAoE enchantments, etc.)
15 Energy: Medium-expensive skills, tend to be pretty powerful with high energy and have low recharge, if not ranger skills. (Animate Bone Minions, Barbed Trap, etc.)
25 Energy: Expensive skills, used rarely and only once per build. These usually cost between 50% and 100% of your energy base to cast, so they have to be very powerful in most cases. (Meteor Shower, etc.)

No need for 20-energy skills really.

MithranArkanere · Jul 21, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

It's all in the numbers. It's a Fibonacci sequence

0*5=0 Signet
1*5=5. Now 1. Those were the spells that had 5 energy and sacrificed health. They are no longer multiplied by 5, so they cost just 1.
1*5=5
2*5=10
3*5=15
5*5=25

I hope that answered your question. XD

blackamethyst · Jul 21, 2009, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It's all in the numbers. It's a Fibonacci sequence

0*5=0 Signet
1*5=5. Now 1. Those were the spells that had 5 energy and sacrificed health. They are no longer multiplied by 5, so they cost just 1.
1*5=5
2*5=10
3*5=15
5*5=25

I hope that answered your question. XD

That's... actually very convincing. o_o

Icy The Mage · Jul 22, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Haha, I like the Fibonacci Sequence explanation

Not just found in nature

-Makai- · Jul 22, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

I've been wondering this for a while, myself. As I am somewhat math-dyslexic, I think paddymew's explanation is the best.

Jul 21, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23	#1
Ugh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: R/	20 Energy So I just noticed there are no skills that cost 20 energy. There are 0, 1, 5, 10, 15, and 25 energy skills, but no profession has a 20 energy skill. Why did Anet skip 20? Does they have something against it? Last edited by Ugh; Jul 21, 2009 at 08:24 PM // 20:24.. Reason: meh

Jul 21, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41	#2
BadgerzFTW Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2008	Call of Cthulhu 20e 10c 60r Terror is released upon upon the innocent players of Guild Wars. All accounts are permanently banned from the game. They had a skill once....but never again..

Jul 21, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42	#3
4thVariety Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: European Union Guild: ADL Profession: E/	There was a weird gypsy fortune teller woman in the alpha. When Anet found out about her arcane gifts, Gaile was sent to ask her for the secret to MMO success. Her answer was: Twen'y, twen'y, skill costs of twen'y, among all the chapters there shall not be any.

Jul 21, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55	#4
refer Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US	they don't use a base numbering system which includes 20?

Jul 21, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01	#5
kedde Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban] Profession: Mo/A	Because it isn't needed. Skills that are powerful enough to warrant 25 energy as a cost have such a huge increase in power compared to the ones at 15 that only 5 more energy wouldn't be justifiable.

Jul 21, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#6
immortius Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Black Cats Profession: E/Mo	Mathematically speaking it was discovered that to be truly balanced skill costs need to be square numbers. Unfortunately management found square numbers confusing, so skill costs were rounded to the nearest multiple of 5 in most cases. 4->5, 9->10, 16->15, 25

Jul 21, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#8
paddymew Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2008 Profession: D/	1 Energy: Sacrifice skills with token costs that are required for them to act as spells. (Dark Pact, etc.) 5 Energy: Cheap skills, either spammable if the skills is bad, or high recharge if the skill is good. (Stone Daggers, Dark Escape, etc.) 10 Energy: Medium skills, moderately powerful but not spammable. ("Find Their Weakness!", dervish PBAoE enchantments, etc.) 15 Energy: Medium-expensive skills, tend to be pretty powerful with high energy and have low recharge, if not ranger skills. (Animate Bone Minions, Barbed Trap, etc.) 25 Energy: Expensive skills, used rarely and only once per build. These usually cost between 50% and 100% of your energy base to cast, so they have to be very powerful in most cases. (Meteor Shower, etc.) No need for 20-energy skills really.

Jul 21, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#9
MithranArkanere Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo Guild: Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO] Profession: E/	It's all in the numbers. It's a Fibonacci sequence 05=0 Signet 15=5. Now 1. Those were the spells that had 5 energy and sacrificed health. They are no longer multiplied by 5, so they cost just 1. 15=5 25=10 35=15 55=25 I hope that answered your question. XD

Jul 22, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22	#11
Icy The Mage Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Profession: E/	Haha, I like the Fibonacci Sequence explanation Not just found in nature

Jul 22, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23	#12
-Makai- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2007 Location: WA Guild: DH Profession: Rt/	I've been wondering this for a while, myself. As I am somewhat math-dyslexic, I think paddymew's explanation is the best.